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So as I was going through airports in Syria I found something intresting. Under Palmyra airport it says it is in the "Islamic State". So do we recognise IS as a nation
also northern Cyprus?
nvm, i added Palmyra under Syria
These sort of conflicts are not the sort of things I believe we sound be involved with, as such I would go with all of the nations the UN recognises:
UN members:
http://www.un.org/en/members/
Countries recognised by the UN but which are not members:
http://www.un.org/en/members/nonmembers.shtml
okay sounds good
(06-04-2015 10:36 AM)skifans Wrote: [ -> ]These sort of conflicts are not the sort of things I believe we sound be involved with, as such I would go with all of the nations the UN recognises:
UN members:
http://www.un.org/en/members/
Countries recognised by the UN but which are not members:
http://www.un.org/en/members/nonmembers.shtml

I agree.
Northern Cyprus is an integral part of Cyprus. It's only an area occupied by Turkey 'cuz they don't want Cyprus (a Greek speaking nation withan ethnic Greek majority) to join with Greece. As for Taiwan, it's been seperated from Mainland China since 1680 and has only been part of China for 15 years, so I wouldn't call it a part of China. Besides, Taiwanese people are ethnically, religiously and liguistically different from people in Mainland China.
(06-17-2015 12:42 AM)yangc9635 Wrote: [ -> ]Northern Cyprus is an integral part of Cyprus. It's only an area occupied by Turkey 'cuz they don't want Cyprus (a Greek speaking nation withan ethnic Greek majority) to join with Greece. As for Taiwan, it's been seperated from Mainland China since 1680 and has only been part of China for 15 years, so I wouldn't call it a part of China. Besides, Taiwanese people are ethnically, religiously and liguistically different from people in Mainland China.

With regard to Northern Cyprus, you failed to mention that only Turkey recognises is as a country. The rest of the world considered is an occupied part of the republic of Cyprus.

Taiwan is more complicated politically I believe. However the fact of the matter is that it is not recognised by the UN and only a tiny number of its members recognise Taiwan (http://www.quora.com/Which-countries-rec...-a-country). As such I would consider it part of China for the purpose of this game.

I am a tad confused by your point of it being "separate from Mainland China since 1680". As far as I can tell this is just plain wrong. Wikipedia lists that the two we're joined "20,000 - 30,000 years ... by a land bridge" (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prehistory_of_Taiwan). As far as I can tell 1680 is about 330 years ago, certainly not 20,000 to 30,000 years ago. Anyway this is not how we define countries. If it was we would have one massive Euro-Afro-Asian country, an American country, an Australian country and lots of tiny counties for each of the world islands.

With regards to your final point about couture and religion, this is not how we define a country. If to where then you could never stop drawing increasing smaller and unhelpful lines in the ground in order to take account of local variations. Also if these define countries, then what happens if I move house? Say a hypothetical Indian swaps houses with an American, both continue to live with the respective customs and traditions of their native lands and keep their ordinal religion. Have we created an new enclave & exclave for the US and India? Of course not. And on the same point, if I go on holiday to so somewhere, I don't feel the need to change all my culture and religion to fit into the local population, but I still consider that I am in there country. I haven't temporarily taken control of the land around the villa for a week and claimed it for the UK, it remains with whatever county originally had the land before it was built.
Unfortunately, Taiwan has limited diplomatic recognition. Only 21 nations, or roughly 15% of nations, recognize Taiwan. Most importantly, the UN does not recognize Taiwan. I understand that many people may argue that they think that Taiwan should be recognized in our game, but in order for us to maintain impartiality among these political issues, we must stick by the UN's list.
(06-17-2015 08:52 AM)skifans Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-17-2015 12:42 AM)yangc9635 Wrote: [ -> ]Northern Cyprus is an integral part of Cyprus. It's only an area occupied by Turkey 'cuz they don't want Cyprus (a Greek speaking nation withan ethnic Greek majority) to join with Greece. As for Taiwan, it's been seperated from Mainland China since 1680 and has only been part of China for 15 years, so I wouldn't call it a part of China. Besides, Taiwanese people are ethnically, religiously and liguistically different from people in Mainland China.

With regard to Northern Cyprus, you failed to mention that only Turkey recognises is as a country. The rest of the world considered is an occupied part of the republic of Cyprus.

Taiwan is more complicated politically I believe. However the fact of the matter is that it is not recognised by the UN and only a tiny number of its members recognise Taiwan (http://www.quora.com/Which-countries-rec...-a-country). As such I would consider it part of China for the purpose of this game.

I am a tad confused by your point of it being "separate from Mainland China since 1680". As far as I can tell this is just plain wrong. Wikipedia lists that the two we're joined "20,000 - 30,000 years ... by a land bridge" (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prehistory_of_Taiwan). As far as I can tell 1680 is about 330 years ago, certainly not 20,000 to 30,000 years ago. Anyway this is not how we define countries. If it was we would have one massive Euro-Afro-Asian country, an American country, an Australian country and lots of tiny counties for each of the world islands.

With regards to your final point about couture and religion, this is not how we define a country. If to where then you could never stop drawing increasing smaller and unhelpful lines in the ground in order to take account of local variations. Also if these define countries, then what happens if I move house? Say a hypothetical Indian swaps houses with an American, both continue to live with the respective customs and traditions of their native lands and keep their ordinal religion. Have we created an new enclave & exclave for the US and India? Of course not. And on the same point, if I go on holiday to so somewhere, I don't feel the need to change all my culture and religion to fit into the local population, but I still consider that I am in there country. I haven't temporarily taken control of the land around the villa for a week and claimed it for the UK, it remains with whatever county originally had the land before it was built.

Taiwan actually spent more time as a part of Manchuria than a part of China. Most Chinese don't consider the Cing (Ch'ing) Dynasty as a dynasty. In fact, they call it a foreign occupation. Only foreigners consider it to be a legitimate Chinese dynasty, so ever since the Southern Ming has been toppled, no Chinese government has actually controlled Taiwan. Until recently, Taiwan was actually controlled by Japan.

Anyways, Taiwan has its own government (a democracy, unlike that of Mainalnd China's fake elections with only Communist party candidates), free speech and civil rights such as the widepsread acceptance of political dissent, religion and homosexuality (unlike in Mainland China, where people adhering to those ideas would be arrested/tortured, and in the case of homosexuals, lynched.) Unfortunately, people in Mainaland China don't care about their government, so most of them don't vote in the fake elections. (Sorry for the slightly off-topic rant.) Taiwan also has its own currency, and nobody Taiwanese nor Chinese person that I know in Taiwan, Mainland China (my friends/ relatives who live or come from there), and America (friends/relatives) has ever considered Taiwan to be part of Mainland China.

Even the language and writing system is different(ex:Traditional Chinese and phrases used when speaking Mandarin. One example is the word for taxi.) Not to mention the fact that Chinese people don't actually care much about their culture...in fact, they destroyed what was left of it during the Cultural Revolution, in which millions of innocent people were either lynched or starved to death. In fact, one of my relatives died of starvation because of it.
(06-27-2015 05:35 PM)yangc9635 Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-17-2015 08:52 AM)skifans Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-17-2015 12:42 AM)yangc9635 Wrote: [ -> ]Northern Cyprus is an integral part of Cyprus. It's only an area occupied by Turkey 'cuz they don't want Cyprus (a Greek speaking nation withan ethnic Greek majority) to join with Greece. As for Taiwan, it's been seperated from Mainland China since 1680 and has only been part of China for 15 years, so I wouldn't call it a part of China. Besides, Taiwanese people are ethnically, religiously and liguistically different from people in Mainland China.

With regard to Northern Cyprus, you failed to mention that only Turkey recognises is as a country. The rest of the world considered is an occupied part of the republic of Cyprus.

Taiwan is more complicated politically I believe. However the fact of the matter is that it is not recognised by the UN and only a tiny number of its members recognise Taiwan (http://www.quora.com/Which-countries-rec...-a-country). As such I would consider it part of China for the purpose of this game.

I am a tad confused by your point of it being "separate from Mainland China since 1680". As far as I can tell this is just plain wrong. Wikipedia lists that the two we're joined "20,000 - 30,000 years ... by a land bridge" (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prehistory_of_Taiwan). As far as I can tell 1680 is about 330 years ago, certainly not 20,000 to 30,000 years ago. Anyway this is not how we define countries. If it was we would have one massive Euro-Afro-Asian country, an American country, an Australian country and lots of tiny counties for each of the world islands.

With regards to your final point about couture and religion, this is not how we define a country. If to where then you could never stop drawing increasing smaller and unhelpful lines in the ground in order to take account of local variations. Also if these define countries, then what happens if I move house? Say a hypothetical Indian swaps houses with an American, both continue to live with the respective customs and traditions of their native lands and keep their ordinal religion. Have we created an new enclave & exclave for the US and India? Of course not. And on the same point, if I go on holiday to so somewhere, I don't feel the need to change all my culture and religion to fit into the local population, but I still consider that I am in there country. I haven't temporarily taken control of the land around the villa for a week and claimed it for the UK, it remains with whatever county originally had the land before it was built.

Taiwan actually spent more time as a part of Manchuria than a part of China. Most Chinese don't consider the Cing (Ch'ing) Dynasty as a dynasty. In fact, they call it a foreign occupation. Only foreigners consider it to be a legitimate Chinese dynasty, so ever since the Southern Ming has been toppled, no Chinese government has actually controlled Taiwan. Until recently, Taiwan was actually controlled by Japan.

Anyways, Taiwan has its own government (a democracy, unlike that of Mainalnd China's fake elections with only Communist party candidates), free speech and civil rights such as the widepsread acceptance of political dissent, religion and homosexuality (unlike in Mainland China, where people adhering to those ideas would be arrested/tortured, and in the case of homosexuals, lynched.) Unfortunately, people in Mainaland China don't care about their government, so most of them don't vote in the fake elections. (Sorry for the slightly off-topic rant.) Taiwan also has its own currency, and nobody Taiwanese nor Chinese person that I know in Taiwan, Mainland China (my relatives), and America (friends/relatives) has ever considered Taiwan to be part of Mainland China. Even the language and writing system is different(ex:Traditional Chinese and the phrase for taxi!)

The problem is that all of these culture differences are not how we define what a county is. There are plenty of other places whereby these differences occur within a county (but admittedly not all in one place). Wales & Scotland get their own parliaments but are not separate countries from the UK, and as such can create different rules. The US sets (some) laws on a state by state level (might need someone else to go into more detail with regard to exactly how this works). Take a look at this gif about the recent legalization of gay marriage in the US:
[Image: 0jpgH3d.gif]
Notice how different areas of what can only be 1 country can be banning and allowing the practice at the same time, within the same country. Another point you made was languages, many countries have more then 1 language, take a look at this map of Switzerland.
[Image: suisse15.png]
None of these areas which speak different languages make any claim to be a country that isn't Switzerland - the area where a language is spoken don't define how a country is defined.
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